What would you like in a new camera?

[Matt Pacini]

Then I respectfully suggest you check out "Deliverance", "Excaliber" "Emerald Forest" or any of John Borman's other films. He loops virtually everything he does.

Well, I obviously thought we were still in the context of us low-budget'eers, because obviously, I recognize that there is a hell of a lot of looping going on in big budget movies.
I just personally find it a royal pain in the ass, and had a hard time getting the actors back in, after they thought they were done with their work (even though I mentioned the possibility of looping in the beginning).
Also, I was never happy with the results. Mostly, this was from using inexperienced actors, which I had to do, given the no budget situation, but my point in all this, to those of you who have not shot a feature yet, but are listening to all this arguing, trying to figure out the best strategy, I say pay close attention, because there are no magic bullets when it comes to getting great dialog.
My preference now, after dealing with this problem, is to get myself a quiet camera.
If everyone else out there just can't part with their noisy camera (like MovieStuff and his Freight-train competing noise of his R-16), then you're just going to have to ADR, period.
I choose to try to get a quiet set, and then it's not really that much work to get good production dialog. More work, sure, but if it's good, it's the best.
Also, MovieStuff, I apologize for assuming you to be inexperienced. That was before I checked out your website.
Some really cool stuff you're up to. I suggest everyone check it out, because he's doing some very cool stuff, especially with his "Rank killing projectors".
So, I give credit where credit is due, and admit my mistakes. But you're still a crazy person for looping all the time!!!!

Matt "I hate looping" Pacini

[MovieStuff]

Previously, I had written:

"Then I respectfully suggest you check out "Deliverance", "Excaliber" "Emerald Forest" or any of John Borman's other films. He loops virtually everything he does."

Matt replied:

"Well, I obviously thought we were still in the context of us low-budget'eers, because
obviously, I recognize that there is a hell of a lot of looping going on in big budget movies."

True, but my reference to Borman was in response to your position that:

"...I have yet to meet anyone who shoots the way you are suggesting on anything but their FIRST feature!"

I guess Borman must have a lot of "first features"!

Again, my whole point wasn't to push looping over location sound. They each have their benefits. My point was simply that looping should not be feared and should, instead, be considered a valid creative tool and not a "fix", as so many see it.

And thanks for the compliments on my "Rank Killers". Hah! That's funny. If only they were really that good.

Again, for those that are interested, see:
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/products.html

Roger

[Alex]

What would I like in a new camera?

Film.

[Matt Pacini]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MovieStuff:
[B]Previously, I had written:

"Then I respectfully suggest you check out "Deliverance", "Excaliber" "Emerald Forest" or any of John Borman's other films. He loops virtually everything he does."

"...I have yet to meet anyone who shoots the way you are suggesting on anything but their FIRST feature!"

I guess Borman must have a lot of "first features"!

Well, I'm going to only agree to meet you in the middle on this one, because when you film a whole movie with freakin' river noise going on all the time, of course you would have to be out of your mind to try to get decent cuttable dialog.
Same thing with filming around traffic noise, etc. My scene in Lost Tribes that I looped, was filmed in a dam, with a 5,000 watt generator screaming like a banshee, echoing off the walls. We were literally having to yell into the ear of someone next to us just to be heard, like a rock concert.
However, I recorded dialog anyway, so my actors would have something to listen to when looping. Oh, the headaches.....

Seriously though, everyone on this board should go to his website.
He's doing some really incredible modifications. Outrageously cool for all of us. Very well thought out, and useful. Everyone saying we should patronize Super 8 Sound so Super 8 can have a future, if you really believe in that concept, you should be laying down some cash at MovieStuff's sight, because this guy has really gone out on a limb in R&D for the Super 8 format.
I've tried to modify some stuff in the past, and it's a freakin' nightmare, so we should really be thrilled that someone is doing it for us!
I'm hoping he can pull off my custom modification job that we're working on.
If he can, you will see some serious worshipping from me on this board!
He's up to some real, usable fixes for us Super 8 shooters. He's been quite modest, not plugging his stuff on this board.

Very innovative stuff he's doing, so check out his website.

Even if he is a crazy man for shooting with that R-16. (I almost bought one once, until I heard it run. I almost started crying, because I really wanted that camera, but I just couldn't go through that again....)

Long live the Nizo 6080!!!!!
Matt Pacini

[MovieStuff]

I don't have to sit here and listen to this!

Just kidding.

Thanks for the kind words, Matt. I guess looping is kind of like any other disipline in film making. Not everyone is born to be a grip or a DP or an effects person, etc. I sort of take it for granted that I can do a lot of the things I do and looping is just one of them, I guess. Not for everyone, to be sure, but a useful creative tool none the less.

Again, thanks for the plug!

Roger